get over. the it's well acted across the boards. it's touching. i don't care who you are, i've seen 12-year-old boys roll a tear, i've rolled a tear. >> the show hasn't aired yet, but it was a fantastic interview. and what i was -- a, how bright he is, but second, how resolutely normal he is. >> yeah. >> completely unfazed by the whole kind of hollywood scene. >> i, of course, spent way more time with him back in the early days. one gets married and has a family and that's it. he also became like a superstar. but any time you see him, he's always like, hey, man, how are you? and it's right back to where you were the last time you ever saw him. of anybody i kind of met or i came up with those dudes. >> ben affleck, do you still speak to him? >> yeah, from time to time. i went to his premiere of "the town" at the director's guild and talked to him very, very briefly before that screening.